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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. I recommend starting a merger discussion on the talk page. (non-admin closure) feminist 02:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This has recieved very little coverage and is not notable. WP:NEOLOGISM applies here also.Apollo The Logician (talk) 12:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: While I think the article could be expanded, as it stands now a redirect or merge to an appropriate section of Genderqueer might be best. Though note that I have long-standing objections to the title of the Genderqueer article, which I think should be titled Non-binary gender, which makes me reluctant to cast a firm !vote on redirect/merge in this AfD. Funcrunch (talk) 14:25, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've notified WikiProject LGBT Studies of this AfD. Funcrunch (talk) 14:31, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Genderqueer. We currently have a separate Bigender article, but I favor merging all of these (including Trigender, which I've literally never heard anyone use either IRL or online) to genderqueer (or whatever title it might be changed to). Agender already redirects there, per apparent consensus, so precedent seems to show that WP is not currently interested in having separate articles for all the ways in which people might not identify with one gender over another. @Apollo The Logician: would you be okay expanding your AFD to include these other articles? (and @Funcrunch: would that screw with your !vote?) –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 14:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Roscelese: I would prefer that each of those articles be nominated separately. I particularly objected to the Agender article being merged/redirected a second time after I helped to expand it, but that's a separate topic for discussion. Funcrunch (talk) 15:36, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge sounds good. As for expanding the Afd I am fine either way.Apollo The Logician (talk) 23:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Gender is not sex. --Pfhorrest (talk) 22:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And even if it were, sex in humans is not as simple as being either male or female. To take one example, people who have a Y chromosome and androgen insensitivity syndrome may not develop male primary or secondary sex characteristics at all; their external genitalia may be indistinguishable from a chromosomal female. "Y Chromosome = Penis = Male" is a gross simplification of human biology. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 15:53, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Rab V (talk) 19:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/Comment Not necessarily opposed to merger as part of a general reorganization of nonbinary gender articles into one article, but opposed to the grounds stated in the proposal. Worth noting that the AFD from 11 years ago was also on the grounds of non-notability and it was found to be notable then, and AFAIK things generally don't cease to be notable over time. Also worth noting that the user proposing deletion apparently (per comments on article's talk page) conflates sex with gender and thinks there is some kind of "two-gender theory" that the article is biased against, so this smells a bit pointy. --Pfhorrest (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
First of all the fact that some people 11 years thought it was notable has nothig to do with whether it is notable or not. Second of all I know the difference between gender and sex. One is biological and one is not. Third of all what on earth does that have to do with anything? Poisoning the well much?Apollo The Logician (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What it has to do with is the possibility that your proposed deletion may not be in genuine good faith for the reasons you state, but because you disbelieve in the topic the article is about. --Pfhorrest (talk) 23:25, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And how is that relevant to whether it should be deleted or merged or whatever?Apollo The Logician (talk) 08:19, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.